that may do it... but young players should get the boost. So thats the problemo there.[/quote]

Perhaps a ranking boost based on what org you are in? This would encourage players to keep moving on. Thoughts?

With the update the champ is already guarenteed to be in the top 10, and will continue to fight top 10. That means their ranking will already be pretty high.

I suppose im trying to get to the root of why a veteran camp would hang on to the belt. I guess it's just really shiny...

I agree. Make the belts less shiny.

But, really, making the boost dependent on the org would make sense, I think. A slight boost is fine but if its too big we see what happens.

that may do it... but young players should get the boost. So thats the problemo there.[/quote]

Perhaps a ranking boost based on what org you are in? This would encourage players to keep moving on. Thoughts?[/quote]

Well, right now there just not enough people moving up to the EFC. I mean seriously, theres like 5 camps who dominate it. I know other people out there are more than capable. It just gets boring when nobody else tries to get their fighters to the top. Getting all "good" equipment can be easily done in 1-2 months of play and thats what I have with the exception of 2 "excellent" pieces. Other camps out there are more than capable of having top success, they just need to be willing to move up their fighters. Nobody cares about your collection of tin foil.

that may do it... but young players should get the boost. So thats the problemo there.[/quote]

Perhaps a ranking boost based on what org you are in? This would encourage players to keep moving on. Thoughts?[/quote]

Well, right now there just not enough people moving up to the EFC. I mean seriously, theres like 5 camps who dominate it. I know other people out there are more than capable. It just gets boring when nobody else tries to get their fighters to the top. Getting all "good" equipment can be easily done in 1-2 months of play and thats what I have with the exception of 2 "excellent" pieces. Other camps out there are more than capable of having top success, they just need to be willing to move up their fighters. Nobody cares about your collection of tin foil.[/quote]

Well something is keeping them from moving up to the next level. My suspicion was that it might be the joy and pride of having a belt. What do you think the reasoning they stay in the lower orgs is? I'd really like some insight on the issue...

that may do it... but young players should get the boost. So thats the problemo there.[/quote]

Perhaps a ranking boost based on what org you are in? This would encourage players to keep moving on. Thoughts?[/quote]

Well, right now there just not enough people moving up to the EFC. I mean seriously, theres like 5 camps who dominate it. I know other people out there are more than capable. It just gets boring when nobody else tries to get their fighters to the top. Getting all "good" equipment can be easily done in 1-2 months of play and thats what I have with the exception of 2 "excellent" pieces. Other camps out there are more than capable of having top success, they just need to be willing to move up their fighters. Nobody cares about your collection of tin foil.[/quote]

Well something is keeping them from moving up to the next level. My suspicion was that it might be the joy and pride of having a belt. What do you think the reasoning they stay in the lower orgs is? I'd really like some insight on the issue...[/quote]

I duno, the lower orgs generally are full of champs who fight cans and duck anyone who is a challenge. I'll sometimes snag a lower org belt, but only if it is on my way to the top. I move to the EFC because those are the only belts I care about. You have to beat top competition to get them and you can't just dodge and crush noobs all day to maintain them either.

The other reason I move up is because I want as much money as I can get to make my camp the best possible. The problem is, 5 mil equipment takes a ridiculous amount of time to get and isn't really much different from good equipment. I think a lot of people just don't see much of a reason to get it and are content with sitting in the lower orgs and crushing noobs all day.

Money should one of the ultimate motivations to move up, but right now there's just not enough cool stuff to spend it on.

If the game is dying consider me the guy that saves the day in the end of the movie!

I agree with Trillione's assessment. I don't have any guys at EFC level yet but when I check out EFC guys, their stats are similar or equal to what I see in fighters in lower orgs. These veteran fighters simply choose to fight at lower orgs to be the big fish in their small ponds. It seems like popularity, ranking, and money aren't their concerns. You cannot urge these players to move up by lowering their rank or pop.

If we get new players, they will obviously run into all these veteran fighters at the lower orgs who will utterly crush them. Most new camps that I check out have 1-5 wins and 10-20+ losses. They don't know any better and stand no chance.

On top of this, help needs to be more readily available. The link to the walk-through is on the front page, but it's relatively obscure. There are few game guides to help new players learn the mechanics of the game and forcing newbies to scan through pages of forum discussions is definitely not fun for them. Many of the posters in the forum would prefer to keep their secrets so they have an advantage and can beat up on noobs. This again refers back to the big fish in small pond example.

The old veterans using their knowledge and experience to crush noobs is nothing new as this happens in every game. However, most games provide a safe haven for noobs to develop before the vets can get to them. Take WoW for example, noobs start out in a safe starting area that gives them experience and training while veterans cannot touch them. As it is right now, noobs are massacred right out of the gate.

Good insight. Thank you.

I think the bolded part hits the nail on the head. We need more cool stuff to spend money on. Right now, the people that move up are primarily driven by wanting to be the best. Money is a bonus.

Most people want to have a concrete reason to excel other than pride. Perhaps make the camp home page like a Myspace. People love Myspace and you've already got the comments down. Just add buyable backgrounds, the ability to manipulate where stuff is, and an "Affiliates" or friend's list.