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#2798 - 07/21/08 10:36 AM Re: Offical Venting thread (so it isnt everywhere else) [Re: butt]
UnknownCriminal



Registered: 02/10/08
Posts: 1072
OMFG

Style with NO stats to match should NOT beat its counter style that HAS stats!
Everyone but rookies knows 90% of the counter styles, it is pure bullshit to beat
a good fighter like this.

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#2799 - 07/21/08 10:55 AM Re: Offical Venting thread (so it isnt everywhere else) [Re: butt]
usnightmare76


Registered: 05/24/08
Posts: 619
I'm stealing UC's complaint because I just ate some serious bullshit, again:
http://mmarmy.com/showfight.php?fight=1099155

WHAT CS STATS?! Dude basically stole a win off of me with a style he doesn't even have stats to support. Come on...what is this bullshit?

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#2800 - 07/21/08 11:41 AM Re: Offical Venting thread (so it isnt everywhere else) [Re: butt]
consortium11


Registered: 01/22/08
Posts: 1651
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I'm stealing UC's complaint because I just ate some serious bullshit, again:
http://mmarmy.com/showfight.php?fight=1099155

WHAT CS STATS?! Dude basically stole a win off of me with a style he doesn't even have stats to support. Come on...what is this bullshit?


Huh?

The guy weighed around 40lbs more than you... while that's not a guarantee that he'll win, it severely stacks the odds in his favour.

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#2801 - 07/21/08 11:43 AM Re: Offical Venting thread (so it isnt everywhere else) [Re: butt]
usnightmare76


Registered: 05/24/08
Posts: 619
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I'm stealing UC's complaint because I just ate some serious bullshit, again:
http://mmarmy.com/showfight.php?fight=1099155

WHAT CS STATS?! Dude basically stole a win off of me with a style he doesn't even have stats to support. Come on...what is this bullshit?


Huh?

The guy weighed around 40lbs more than you... while that's not a guarantee that he'll win, it severely stacks the odds in his favour.

Then explain why I've beaten some of the other heavier fighters? I mean, I have been on a roll against some really big fighters as of late just by coaching Hade better.

And besides, it can't just be weight that played an issue here because he has NO CS stats beyond Reflex to speak of. It's just a bullshit decision!

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#2802 - 07/21/08 11:50 AM Re: Offical Venting thread (so it isnt everywhere else) [Re: butt]
consortium11


Registered: 01/22/08
Posts: 1651
Perhaps he had great hidden stats, perhaps you "rolled" a 1 and he "rolled" a 6, perhaps you used up all your luck beating on 278lbs fighters.

The simple fact is that when there's a 40lbs weight difference it's not "bullshit" when your fighter loses. It could be unlucky, but it's not bullshit.

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#2803 - 07/21/08 11:55 AM Re: Offical Venting thread (so it isnt everywhere else) [Re: butt]
usnightmare76


Registered: 05/24/08
Posts: 619
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Perhaps he had great hidden stats, perhaps you "rolled" a 1 and he "rolled" a 6, perhaps you used up all your luck beating on 278lbs fighters.

The simple fact is that when there's a 40lbs weight difference it's not "bullshit" when your fighter loses. It could be unlucky, but it's not bullshit.

Yes, it is bullshit if they're using a style they have weak stats for. It would be bullshit if we were the same weight and using the same style. It's ridiculous.

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#2804 - 07/21/08 11:57 AM Re: Offical Venting thread (so it isnt everywhere else) [Re: butt]
Nicain


Registered: 06/03/08
Posts: 60
The fighters would still be as clumsy as hell trying to use skills they don't have stats for.

This is my #1 problem with the game, style match up's matter more then how well trained you are in those styles. If two fighters are trained equally in their respective styles then fine, but that's never the case.

And regarding pure weight, pure weight isn't as important as it is in the game, if it was Butter bean would always win.

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#2805 - 07/21/08 12:12 PM Re: Offical Venting thread (so it isnt everywhere else) [Re: butt]
blazela


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Registered: 01/29/08
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Perhaps he had great hidden stats, perhaps you "rolled" a 1 and he "rolled" a 6, perhaps you used up all your luck beating on 278lbs fighters.

The simple fact is that when there's a 40lbs weight difference it's not "bullshit" when your fighter loses. It could be unlucky, but it's not bullshit.

Yes, it is bullshit if they're using a style they have weak stats for. It would be bullshit if we were the same weight and using the same style. It's ridiculous.


[sarcasm]When a player doesn't understand something that occurs, there is clearly something wrong with the game.[/sarcasm]
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#2806 - 07/21/08 12:18 PM Re: Offical Venting thread (so it isnt everywhere else) [Re: butt]
usnightmare76


Registered: 05/24/08
Posts: 619
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Perhaps he had great hidden stats, perhaps you "rolled" a 1 and he "rolled" a 6, perhaps you used up all your luck beating on 278lbs fighters.

The simple fact is that when there's a 40lbs weight difference it's not "bullshit" when your fighter loses. It could be unlucky, but it's not bullshit.

Yes, it is bullshit if they're using a style they have weak stats for. It would be bullshit if we were the same weight and using the same style. It's ridiculous.


[sarcasm]When a player doesn't understand something that occurs, there is clearly something wrong with the game.[/sarcasm]

I think at this point I understand the game well enough to understand how I can lose certain fights, but stuff like this? Come on, what the fuck? He wasn't a CS fighter, but he switched to that style with little stat support and beat me despite choosing a style that I've been led to believe is a good counter to that style.

So what's the explanation here? Weight? That's all he beat me by? Okay, then explain why I beat some stronger fighters who hold the same kind of weight advantage over my fighter?

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#2807 - 07/21/08 12:40 PM Re: Offical Venting thread (so it isnt everywhere else) [Re: butt]
consortium11


Registered: 01/22/08
Posts: 1651
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[quote]Perhaps he had great hidden stats, perhaps you "rolled" a 1 and he "rolled" a 6, perhaps you used up all your luck beating on 278lbs fighters.

The simple fact is that when there's a 40lbs weight difference it's not "bullshit" when your fighter loses. It could be unlucky, but it's not bullshit.

Yes, it is bullshit if they're using a style they have weak stats for. It would be bullshit if we were the same weight and using the same style. It's ridiculous.


[sarcasm]When a player doesn't understand something that occurs, there is clearly something wrong with the game.[/sarcasm]

I think at this point I understand the game well enough to understand how I can lose certain fights, but stuff like this? Come on, what the fuck? He wasn't a CS fighter, but he switched to that style with little stat support and beat me despite choosing a style that I've been led to believe is a good counter to that style.

So what's the explanation here? Weight? That's all he beat me by? Okay, then explain why I beat some stronger fighters who hold the same kind of weight advantage over my fighter?[/quote]

Because the game isn't rock/paper/scissors where there's a 100% certainty of what the result will be if two people select certain styles. It's also not just rock/paper/scissors where some people are better at rock than you are at scissors. It's also not just rock/paper/scissors where some people are better at rock than you are at scissors but you have a 30lbs weight advantage. It's also not just rock/paper/scissors where some people are better at rock than you are at scissors but you have a 30lbs weight advantage, however the other fighter will never quit and has a rock solid chin. There's also the fact that the game "rolls dice" and sometimes while everything is in your favour, you'll still lose. That's not bullshit, that's bad luck...

In terms of MMArmy type stats Cro Cop would have destroyed Randleman and Kongo, GSP would always destroy Serra, BANG would never have been KO'd in a round by Morgan etc etc. Yet they all lost. Were those fights bullshit?

In fact, what do you mean by bullshit? That the game cheated you? That the system was set up to screw you? Or that you were unlucky in a fight? Because we've all been unlucky in fights before. I've had top notch FS fighters KO'd by 8pts where I had the weight advantage, GnP'ers pound out by CS'rs etc etc. It's not bullshit, it is, in a manner of speaking, why you actually fight the fight.

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