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#2808 - 07/21/08 12:40 PM Re: Offical Venting thread (so it isnt everywhere else) [Re: butt]
blazela


Jedi Master
Registered: 01/29/08
Posts: 2873
Loc: Los Angeles
There are a couple of things about the fight in question I would like to point out:

1) Lefebvre (is that a real name?) has been using CS since his first fight and has beaten both SiO (the weaker counter) and FF (the stronger counter).

2) He only has only one loss to a fighter under 260.

3) Martin has beats bigger fighters with FS and PG - he has only beaten 2 fighters over 260 with wrestling or striking styles, both with GnP.

4) Martin loses to bigger fighters with other styles - he has lost 6 times to fighters over 260 using various striking or wrestling styles.

Lefebvre's stats for CS suck, but that doesn't seem to matter. Good hidden stats + weight advantage = tough fighter in the lower orgs. Your guy Martin is pretty well trained and pretty well managed but his hidden stats are nothing special and he's tiny.

Martin's record raises an interesting topic though - are weight differences more significant for some styles than others?
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#2809 - 07/21/08 01:04 PM Re: Offical Venting thread (so it isnt everywhere else) [Re: butt]
consortium11


Registered: 01/22/08
Posts: 1651
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Martin's record raises an interesting topic though - are weight differences more significant for some styles than others?


Going off topic, but I remember it being mentioned in passing a while back that PL relied on weight more than other stats. I've done no research and didn't put much thought into it, thinking it was one of the assumptions we made early in the game that amounted to nothing (similar ones included having to have high flex to get access to the high kick text in pbp which was pretty much proven false... we had no idea what was going on at the time laugh )

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#2810 - 07/21/08 01:11 PM Re: Offical Venting thread (so it isnt everywhere else) [Re: butt]
blazela


Jedi Master
Registered: 01/29/08
Posts: 2873
Loc: Los Angeles
Yah, I remember discussing it, but don't remember reaching any conclusions. It would be kinda annoying to research but not complicated.
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#2811 - 07/21/08 01:28 PM Re: Offical Venting thread (so it isnt everywhere else) [Re: butt]
usnightmare76


Registered: 05/24/08
Posts: 619
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Because the game isn't rock/paper/scissors where there's a 100% certainty of what the result will be if two people select certain styles. It's also not just rock/paper/scissors where some people are better at rock than you are at scissors. It's also not just rock/paper/scissors where some people are better at rock than you are at scissors but you have a 30lbs weight advantage. It's also not just rock/paper/scissors where some people are better at rock than you are at scissors but you have a 30lbs weight advantage, however the other fighter will never quit and has a rock solid chin. There's also the fact that the game "rolls dice" and sometimes while everything is in your favour, you'll still lose. That's not bullshit, that's bad luck...

In terms of MMArmy type stats Cro Cop would have destroyed Randleman and Kongo, GSP would always destroy Serra, BANG would never have been KO'd in a round by Morgan etc etc. Yet they all lost. Were those fights bullshit?

In fact, what do you mean by bullshit? That the game cheated you? That the system was set up to screw you? Or that you were unlucky in a fight? Because we've all been unlucky in fights before. I've had top notch FS fighters KO'd by 8pts where I had the weight advantage, GnP'ers pound out by CS'rs etc etc. It's not bullshit, it is, in a manner of speaking, why you actually fight the fight.

What CS stats did he have besides Reflex? Why would him using a style he has little stat support be able to carry him over another fighter just because he has weight advantage? How is it a fair decision that a fighter in this game can lose a bout to someone who has little to no stats to support a certain style, but because it's a direct counter to something you have, and because they have a weight advantage, they get the win in a big enough fashion that leaves no doubt? I mean, come on - I've seen it happen all over the place, and not just in this example. Guys with weak or no FF stats using the style to beat a strong PL fighter; a fighter with weak power/strength/wrestling/brawling or so switching to GnP to beat a strong PG fighter that usually works well against strong GnP fighters.

I understand that upsets can happen, but isn't that where a SD would come in to kind of point to you being upsetted? I can understand certain fights going in this manner if the opponent has some decent stats for the style and your fighter has weak hidden stats that dictate they're going to lose in such a manner. Like a PG guy losing to another PG guy who doesn't have better JJ than you, but because your fighter has weaker sub defense is going to be on the receiving end of the loss.

This - but this, however, just wasn't even close. Again, what CS stats does he have? How can he justify making the switch to such a style with weak stats for it? For that, why bother sparring? I should be able to just pick a counter style to my opponent's main style and win that fight, regardless of whether my fighter has any stats for the style. That's what strikes me as bullshit - and many other players have thought this from time to time when they're put in this position of losing a fight to a fighter who had bad stats for a style that just happened to have an advantage over their own style. It has been bullshit for a while, and seeing the answers given to explain why this should be viewed as an acceptable loss is that he had a weight advantage - okay, then explain how I was able to beat some stronger HW fighters who had the same weight advantage, better stats for their style?

Had this just been a SD loss I wouldn't have even thought anything of it, but a UD kind of tells me that he had me beat on everything - better stats for his style, which we can all see wasn't the case given successful models of CS fighters; a weight advantage, which my fighter has overcome before; and a style advantage, which I can't see considering how often I'm told SiO kills CS. So what in this equation dictates that I would be dominated for this loss?

I accept upsets from time to time, especially given my rotten luck, but this wasn't an upset. A UD basically tells me this was a bad fight that I wasn't going to win. So fucking how is that possible? Any answers?

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#2812 - 07/21/08 01:57 PM Re: Offical Venting thread (so it isnt everywhere else) [Re: butt]
usnightmare76


Registered: 05/24/08
Posts: 619
The fuck do I have to do to get a fight in GLORY's MW division today? I've sent out about 13 challenges, and for the most part no one is accepting. What's worse is some of these guys aren't even taking in other fights, barring my little challenge to MMA's fighter.

I've been baby sitting my fighter for way too fucking long just looking to get a single fight in, and no one is accepting a thing. It's like most everyone wants to sit out this month, and I have to suffer through this shit when I just want to get the fight in!

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#2813 - 07/21/08 02:07 PM Re: Offical Venting thread (so it isnt everywhere else) [Re: butt]
consortium11


Registered: 01/22/08
Posts: 1651
http://www.mmarmy.com/showfight.php?fight=263710

http://www.mmarmy.com/showfight.php?fight=159491

http://www.mmarmy.com/showfight.php?fight=583154

http://www.mmarmy.com/showfight.php?fight=95762

http://www.mmarmy.com/showfight.php?fight=750048

Pretty much all examples of fights where the the superior style with similar stats lost for whatever reason, and that's the ones I could think of off the top of my head, without the far more common GnP being owned by PG etc. With a more fine tooth comb I can certainly find many more... and even more where the superior style lost because the fighter didn't have the stats to support it. It's how the game works. Because I can go through my records and find examples of the "better" style losing because of lack of stats to it winning despite that lack at at least a 10-1 proportion.

And why did it happen? Because the internal mechanisms of the game gave you a bad result and him a great one. Perhaps it gave you a great result earlier when you fought 270lbs fighters. I can give you examples of LW's beating HW's... and then I can give you this

http://mmarmy.com/fighter_display_record.php?id=85317

Much like real life MMA, there is an element of chance involved in MMArmy. It gets a disproportionate amount of press because no-one talks about the time their 2.75* PL'er beats a 1* FF fighter... but the one time in a dozen the FF fighter wins merry hell is raised.

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#2814 - 07/21/08 04:21 PM Re: Offical Venting thread (so it isnt everywhere else) [Re: butt]
The Godfather



Registered: 03/29/08
Posts: 9100
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Another dicktucking, paper-champ... TEAM REFUGEE, TEAM REFUGEE, TEAM REFUGEE

A1 HW Belt: http://www.mmarmy.com/fighter_display.php?id=127282

First guy is the #1 Contender, 8-1 his last 9 fights in A1... and consistently faces tough guys. Former 2x A1 Champ.
http://www.mmarmy.com/fighter_display.php?id=150602

Second guy is 23-20 & ranked 1,826 and has never fought in A1... ranked 9-10 in the org.
http://www.mmarmy.com/fighter_display.php?id=158397

So who would get the shot? The 2nd guy of course when you're talking about a dicktucker.


TEAM REFUGEE

Team Refugee, if you're on the forums i'd love to see what kinda reason you have for avoiding my fighter... besides the fact i'm a PL/GnP fighter, and you chose an 8pt fighter you could FS. Pass me up for deserving shots because my guy happens to be a bad matchup, I hate when pussies choose their title defenses by who they have the best chance to beat.


The champ accepted my challenge the next month & kicked the shit out of me lol...

Thanks for the shot Team Refugee, hopefully I didn't upset ya too bad.

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#2815 - 07/21/08 05:03 PM Re: Offical Venting thread (so it isnt everywhere else) [Re: butt]
UnknownCriminal



Registered: 02/10/08
Posts: 1072
I cant believe I just recruited another fucking 139lb fighter. This is borderline retarded
and really pissing me off.

http://mmarmy.com/fighter_stats.php?id=189404

UC

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#2816 - 07/21/08 08:35 PM Re: Offical Venting thread (so it isnt everywhere else) [Re: butt]
Lokeey


Registered: 05/13/08
Posts: 232
Loc: California
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Another dicktucking, paper-champ... TEAM REFUGEE, TEAM REFUGEE, TEAM REFUGEE

A1 HW Belt: http://www.mmarmy.com/fighter_display.php?id=127282

First guy is the #1 Contender, 8-1 his last 9 fights in A1... and consistently faces tough guys. Former 2x A1 Champ.
http://www.mmarmy.com/fighter_display.php?id=150602

Second guy is 23-20 & ranked 1,826 and has never fought in A1... ranked 9-10 in the org.
http://www.mmarmy.com/fighter_display.php?id=158397

So who would get the shot? The 2nd guy of course when you're talking about a dicktucker.


TEAM REFUGEE

Team Refugee, if you're on the forums i'd love to see what kinda reason you have for avoiding my fighter... besides the fact i'm a PL/GnP fighter, and you chose an 8pt fighter you could FS. Pass me up for deserving shots because my guy happens to be a bad matchup, I hate when pussies choose their title defenses by who they have the best chance to beat.


The champ accepted my challenge the next month & kicked the shit out of me lol...

Thanks for the shot Team Refugee, hopefully I didn't upset ya too bad.


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#2817 - 07/21/08 09:19 PM Re: Offical Venting thread (so it isnt everywhere else) [Re: butt]
usnightmare76


Registered: 05/24/08
Posts: 619
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I cant believe I just recruited another fucking 139lb fighter. This is borderline retarded
and really pissing me off.

http://mmarmy.com/fighter_stats.php?id=189404

UC

It'll eventually die down and you'll bounce back with some actual recruits who are of good weight.

Oh, and just won a UD as a GnP in the EFC - I have very poor GnP stats. Anyone else want to tell me that's fair? :P

It seems like style advantage, plus weight advantage gives you a better win percentage boost for a fight, and then you get the actual roll to decide on if you win or not. So you get that bonus to your roll which, in the end, means you don't really have to worry too much about the actual stats. I guess I'll have to just keep this all in mind and forget about stats. Oh well, now I know, now I won't be so shocked by this later on.

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