Why count on a troll for your alliance and why act suprised when the hammer finally drops? Im also suprised it took this long. If anything he got more slack than anyone. He isnt even banned game side right? So whats the issue?

Wht's the issue? Here you go -

Chief has said I wouldn't bother fighting this if it was not an alliance mate of mine, but if that were the case why would I have put so much energy into fighting bans of Judo, Grap, and Jid when they were not part of my alliance? This is what I do, but I will fight twice as hard for a member of my team than any other, and 3 times as hard for my mod.

So people said CH has said toxic things for a long time. Yet he wasn't banned then. I have not even seen where he was warned then. Not sure he's ever got a 24 hour warning ban as has been the standard for a long time. Why now? Why decide on a long term ban now 1 week before an alliance event? CH didn't fuck his alliance, his behavior has not changed. The banning is quickly fucking his alliance though, as instead of putting energy in the event I am putting energy into fighting this foolishness due to losing my co-mod 1 week out. This is not the first time this has happened to a major SFL player just before an event. This is not the second time this has happened to a major SFL player just before an event. This sort of pattern impacts my enjoyment of the game much, much more than any anonymous forum name spouting any sort of anonymous insult or slurs.

And this is not consistent moderation. As I said, many, many times chief has said we can say what we want to each other, just not come after him. Many, many times players have been given 24 hour bans rather than long term ones. Why a long term one now? I guarantee more heinous exclamations in the SB have been met with warning bans in the past.

CHs behavior could change. I have not asked him to. I have not seen anyone else ask him to, most of the time his callouts are met with silence. As I said in the SB this is a bit. He enjoys playing a heel or villain, much like the way heels work in wrestling. If you do not like him the character is succeeding. And it is a character, but is not being fought like a character. It is being fought like a violation of the rules. Are those rules written out? How is he to know he violated the rules? Informally rules have been communicated through the SB, and as stated above his behavior is well within the informal rules range. He has not caught even a 24 hour ban or even a warning for the complaints people are listing that I have seen.

In my opinion explicitly called out behavior after a 24 hour warning ban would warrant more extreme actions, rather than an arbitrary long term ban just before an event as a reaction to long term tolerated behavior. You may not like the way he is acting, but I am asking for him to be called out on it and given a chance to improve rather prior to extreme banning action to be implemented.

I'm not interested in discussing it further with players who's best interest is in him remaining banned. Will see what chief says then decide if I will continue to play this game.

Id gladly let him be active for this (fuck it, any) tournament and then perma-banned otherwise. My interest is in not having to listen to him bitch and moan.

Would not have any problem of unbanning him for event then banned again after. Nobody is concerned in any way if ch is in event or not lol.

i think the main argument blim is making is for progressive discipline. i honestly had no idea that CH was viewed this way. i'm not super active in the SB so i guess it's not a surprise that i haven't seen any of it. i guess i have three questions as it relates to the banning:

1) was it for talking shit about the game? or

2) was it for talking shit to players? or

3) was it some combination of the above and if so, how much of each factored into it?

depending on the answers to those questions, again, i would go back to the idea of progressive discipline. if the answer to 1 or 2 was "yes, that was the sole reason", then was he explicitly warned about it? was he given the first 24 hour ban for it? if the answer to 3 was "yes, 50/50", then again, was he warned or given some type of initial penalty?

if the idea is that we don't want to scare off new players with his "toxic personality" (snowflakes anyone?), then i would assume this banning would be a wake up call for CH if he were unbanned. this should be the serious warning that he may have never gotten. if he comes back and continues to offend people, then ratchet it up.

I would have no issue with him coming back after this little banning,if Chief would agree to it,but the shit talking about how the game sucks and it needs to die HAS to stop.I think there will always be shit talking when it comes to CH,but there is a difference between that and the game itself.I gues we will see where it goes from here.

Bump

Damn some names in this thread Id love to see come back, even CH who I dont remember ever having an issue with

Who is CH? What camp?